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[arn]

I'm waiting for a pic of his tyres, surely he'll be able to match the absurd handling CBR

Unless he's using it for offroading only (better be careful of the exhaust - unique position for a rally bike, might start a trend for all you know!)

[pulsurge]

satyenpoojary, on 02 March 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

Some of your comments about the tyres, the rake angle to an extent and quality is pure BS. The duke has quality mechnical parts, the "quality" cosmetic parts will come as optional "power parts" package which would suck your blood out in costs

To add, how does the KTM need broader tyres and the CBR does not

[L.P.]

satyenpoojary, on 02 March 2012 - 04:18 PM, said:

lol! Best of luck for your rally with that puny fuel tank, I hope the friendly PBK has adequate stocks and spares and tools to detect errors in your trail.

Some of your comments about the tyres, the rake angle to an extent and quality is pure BS. The duke has quality mechnical parts, the "quality" cosmetic parts will come as optional "power parts" package which would suck your blood out in costs

pulsurge, on 02 March 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Just yday we were discussing about the spares of the KTM (gosh if its true):

USD forks: INR 20k
Steel braided hose: INR 8k

Offroading...be careful!

Does anyone knows a contract killer, i have 2 people to kill now

arn, on 02 March 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Unless he's using it for offroading only (better be careful of the exhaust - unique position for a rally bike, might start a trend for all you know!)

Dont worry, its perfectly placed.

and pulsurge: buddy: Offroading doesn't mean, breaking of parts.

pulsurge, on 02 March 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

To add, how does the KTM need broader tyres and the CBR does not

I don't want to get into that discussion , i only meant as per standard, if CBR would have got One-two step down tyres

[pulsurge]

LOL....hamaari jaan khatre mein

Does your offroading mean any of these types:

[Ricci]

Deepak , you call that off roading ? I'd say it's a new sport, mud-bathing yeah, the kind buffaloes would love   . What does the term road have to do here, it's not even close to a road

LP bhai - the Katoom is not rally bike, it's a naked street bike that people think has good offroad cred because it comes from a brand that makes good off roader /enduro type bikes. Sort of like saying a Cayenne would do great on Nurburgring because their 911GTs and Carreras lap Nurburgring like nobody's business. Where' the Duke's long travel heavy duty suspension ? Where's the high mount pipe - the mass centralization belly exhaust would get pelted by mud and stones when offroading, it's not ideally located for that use. The wheels too may not take the harsh abuse offroading pelts.

The KTM may be the best urban bike, but off roading, I think not!

[L.P.]

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Ricci, on 02 March 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Deepak , you call that off roading ? I'd say it's a new sport, mud-bathing yeah, the kind buffaloes would love   . What does the term road have to do here, it's not even close to a road

LP bhai - the Katoom is not rally bike, it's a naked street bike that people think has good offroad cred because it comes from a brand that makes good off roader /enduro type bikes. Sort of like saying a Cayenne would do great on Nurburgring because their 911GTs and Carreras lap Nurburgring like nobody's business. Where' the Duke's long travel heavy duty suspension ? Where's the high mount pipe - the mass centralization belly exhaust would get pelted by mud and stones when offroading, it's not ideally located for that use. The wheels too may not take the harsh abuse offroading pelts.

The KTM may be the best urban bike, but off roading, I think not!

Ricci:   for the first para.

Coming to the part in Italics, buddy Do you think A Yamaha Gladiator can do a rally, the pic above shows you a person who finished in the desert storm first
So there's nothing like you can't take KTM there, it should be well planted bike, which CBR is not

[rahul_rn]

So LP decided finally..?? Congo.. and Deepak bhai whenever somebody says off roading, you show him your mud bath pics, no fare..

[arn]

pulsurge, on 02 March 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

LOL....hamaari jaan khatre mein

Does your offroading mean any of these types:

A lot of Rohtang pass looks like this, minus the greenery

That is a national highway, not a "road", let alone off road

[rahul_rn]

^^^ ha ha good point..

[satyenpoojary]

lol! Not a well planted CBR. Mu ha h aha !

Anyway congrats but you have just been sold a truck load of BS by someone who probably hates the CBR!

PS: Wasnt there a R15 in the rally too -  Does that make it a Rally bike. The point we were trying to make is simple.
If you intend to offroad, better buy something that is reliable, easier to fix. The pics you shared also has a Pulsar (which is as easy to fix as it can get ) So you missed the bus by a mile. But nevertheless you got yourself a true world class bike (but for all the wrong reasons)

[Silver Phantom]

Isn't Anyone missing the Phirst Tru Indian AAFF-ROADER here The Hyeerooo YIMPULSE..... Yup dude.. that is the bike for you. just plonk in a ZMR Engine in the Impulse frame, and you are good to go.. not that the ariginaal engine is bad, but it is 50cc less than the KTM, and with the ZMR you get 25cc more..
And it is cheap too in the repair dept, spokey wheels, and Pipe-Type Frame, where you might wanna weld anything else. and also a high Exhaust pipe.. no stones gonna hit that., and also heat you lunch while you are at it..

[arn]

satyenpoojary, on 03 March 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

lol! Not a well planted CBR. Mu ha h aha !

Anyway congrats but you have just been sold a truck load of BS by someone who probably hates the CBR!

There can also be other reasons. Low tyre pressure, or an overtightened steering head cone can also make the CBR (or any other bike!) handle like a pig. It's a simple matter of adjusting the nut in the centre. However, much more common, and difficult to adjust is lack of talent in the nut found attached at times to other portions of the handlebar   , so if the steering head bearings are OK, and tyre pressures are right...oh, must be a lemon specially given to him to ride

Hero impulse = 80K on road. Add engine changes, cost of retrofitting everything incl time = minimum 1.3L
You are still stuck with spindly forks and a true blue el cheapo single downtube frame (like bicycle, only larger), and tube type tyres which can have dangerous rapid loss of air in puncture situations, and of course spoked wheels which will need alignment after each of road excursion.

[nav75]

Just my bit, with respect to the Rallying (and Raid in particular).

arn, on 03 March 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

A lot of Rohtang pass looks like this, minus the greenery

Yes but mud in Rajmachi is slipery as compared to Rohtang.

satyenpoojary, on 03 March 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

PS: Wasnt there a R15 in the rally too -  Does that make it a Rally bike.

Yes, why not?
For rally you need a bike with good suspenion, should not be too soft nor too stiff. R15, just change the handlebar, change the tyres, remove the plastics and you are good to go.

satyenpoojary, on 03 March 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

The point we were trying to make is simple.
If you intend to offroad, better buy something that is reliable, easier to fix.

Then I guess those proper offroaders (KTM's, Husky's, etc) will be out of your shopping list. As they won't be easy to fix nor can be fixed any where.

@LP: Based on what my friend felt while using his KTM over bad road, just keep an eye on the rear suspension. You might want to stiffen it a bit, if set to too soft from showroom.

[arn]

nav75, on 04 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Just my bit, with respect to the Rallying (and Raid in particular).


Yes but mud in Rajmachi is slipery as compared to Rohtang.

How did you measure it? How non slippery is the slush over Rohtang? The rocks under the slush, are they too made of similar non slippery material?

nav75, on 04 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Yes, why not?
For rally you need a bike with good suspenion, should not be too soft nor too stiff. R15, just change the handlebar, change the tyres, remove the plastics and you are good to go.

Bajaj CT 100 should do as well after similar prep, no? You may not even need the handlebar change!

nav75, on 04 March 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Then I guess those proper offroaders (KTM's, Husky's, etc) will be out of your shopping list. As they won't be easy to fix nor can be fixed any where.

I did not know that they cannot be fixed anywhere. Thats news. .  Nav, can you tell us what breaks catastrophically and unfixably with them?

Anybody who talks crap about the CBR is somebody you have to support, right? Non slippery mud.

[nav75]

arn, on 04 March 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

How did you measure it? How non slippery is the slush over Rohtang? The rocks under the slush, are they too made of similar non slippery material?

There are rocks enroute Rajmachi as well. I was referring only to the muddy part.
Having ridden to Rajmachi & Rohtang on same bike, with same tyres - when there was slush and rain. Rajmachi's muddy part is more slippery as compared to Rohtang.
Stones, at both places are slippery.

arn, on 04 March 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Bajaj CT 100 should do as well after similar prep, no? You may not even need the handlebar change!

Have never ridden CT100 so got no idea about its suspension. But, having ridden ZMA with softer suspension that keeps on bottoming out, I won't ride a bike with suspension similar to that.
More over, CT100 will be grossly underpowered for that kind of use. The reason("underpowered") why I didn't even consider buying Impulse for the sole purpose of taking part in Raid. (Being overpriced is another reason against Impulse).

arn, on 04 March 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

I did not know that they cannot be fixed anywhere. Thats news. .  Nav, can you tell us what breaks catastrophically and unfixably with them?

I was replying to "easier to fix" part. Any bike can be fixed at some place.
Nothing broke on them but if anything broke, it won't be "easier to fix".

arn, on 04 March 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Anybody who talks crap about the CBR is somebody you have to support, right? Non slippery mud.

I had nothing more to say(other than what is already being said) about the CBR vs KTM part, hence didn't say anything. Also:
1. I have never ridden KTM.
2. What ever little I have ridden CBR, is on a small section of tarmac and will be of no use to comment about the usefullness to the purpose for which LP is planning to buy his bike.